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its bad to sin · Aug 09, 2009, 03:13 PM // 15:13

i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters. his final time was 20 minutes and 11 seconds (masters is under 20mins) yet he still demanded the money i have screen shots where he says 100% masters guarenteed and a screen shot of the final time at 20:11 he then goes to tell me that he has reported me for scamming. only question i have is can i get any type of bann for not paying when he did not do what he said.

yes it was NM i should have known he would fail when one of his heros was a mez that had avatar of balthazar (10seconds) but i thought maybe he had some leet way of running it =D.

Unholy Tank V · Aug 09, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59

You can not get banned for this, the man explicitly said 100% Guaranteed Masters and he did not deliver. You have no reason to worry about getting banned, the guy is making empty threats.

Pony Slaystation · Aug 09, 2009, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Personally, I don't think you could get banned for this, because after all, the runner guarenteed that you would get master'. If you do get banned, however, be sure to contact support, since you are not at fault.

Raudic · Aug 09, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01

i wouldnt pay. hes the scammer in that situation

xron · Aug 09, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Anet may not know/see/realise that he stated 100% guaranteed masters so you may be banned imo.

However as long as you contact support and show them the screenshots it'll be rescinded.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Aug 09, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

You cannot get banned on runs, period. ANet has explicitly said that runs are unsupported and you run/be runned at your own risk.

lompos · Aug 09, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

i agree with Kerwyn. Also Anet doesn't get between 2 players, who have a problem between them.

its bad to sin · Aug 09, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37

k thank you very much for your responses

Killamus · Aug 09, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan

You cannot get banned on runs, period. ANet has explicitly said that runs are unsupported and you run/be runned at your own risk.

Are you sure? I think someone released that they would support runs, at least in the scamming portion of it. I believe it was on Gailie's or Reginia's blog somewhere.

citizensmith1001 · Aug 09, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57

If i was you i would keep a SS of him saying 100% guarantee masters and a SS of him saying he would report you and also maybe a SS of the game map showing you don't have masters on that particular mission . If you do happen to get banned you should be unbanned fairly quick if you show them that kind of proof.

makosi · Aug 09, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04

It was one of those 'gentlemens' agreements' which, unlike conventional trade-window trades, require an element of faith in either party. I don't believe Anet frequently police such disputes but I have heard of incidences where people have been banned for 'bad intentions' in dungeon runs and the likes. Most likely due to blatantly obvious leeching or stealing.

If, in the unlikely event of a ban on your account, then you have the screenshots of the deal being offered and not being carried out successfully to which I'm sure they'll unban pretty fast.

Highlander Of Alba · Aug 09, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Will agree you wont get a ban ,, as technically just an agreement between you and the party....runs dont qualify for a ban

If he did then he has screenshots as you dont know what they guy said if he raised a ticket..

Would not worry about it

Sparkmaster25 · Aug 09, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

I know this is Irrelevant But was this in Normal mode because 20 minutes on that mission in Normal Mode is laughable.

Sookie · Aug 09, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by its bad to sin

i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters. his final time was 20 minutes and 11 seconds (masters is under 20mins) yet he still demanded the money i have screen shots where he says 100% masters guarenteed and a screen shot of the final time at 20:11 he then goes to tell me that he has reported me for scamming. only question i have is can i get any type of bann for not paying when he did not do what he said.

Keep the screens just in case he goes to support with a good lie, although Support does have the ability to check the time and date on all occurrences in the game logs.

Bob Slydell · Aug 09, 2009, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by its bad to sin

i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters. his final time was 20 minutes and 11 seconds (masters is under 20mins) yet he still demanded the money i have screen shots where he says 100% masters guarenteed and a screen shot of the final time at 20:11 he then goes to tell me that he has reported me for scamming. only question i have is can i get any type of bann for not paying when he did not do what he said.

yes it was NM i should have known he would fail when one of his heros was a mez that had avatar of balthazar (10seconds) but i thought maybe he had some leet way of running it =D.

You can't be banned for that. Besides you have a screenshot that you could send as an appeal if you do get suspended or banned.

Need More Donuts · Aug 09, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

He specifically stated a guranteed time and didn't achieve it why would you pay for a service you did not truly receive...
As long as you have screenshots you should be fine
good thinking

mathiastemplar · Aug 09, 2009, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Like every1 else said, he stated that it was 100%.
you won't get banned for this, as it's not scamming because he failed.

glhf

majikmajikmajik · Aug 09, 2009, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Its a false report, you obviously didnt do anything wrong and it takes ALOT of reports to get even a temp ban so dont worry.

Quaker · Aug 10, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by its bad to sin

i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters.

But, did he say "guaranteed, or it's free"? Or "Moneyback guaranteed"? If he didn't say what the penalty was for failing to get masters, it won't hold up in a court of law.

Just teasing (tho true) - don't pay him and don't worry about a ban.

Dzjudz · Aug 10, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by xron

Anet may not know/see/realise that he stated 100% guaranteed masters so you may be banned imo.

Chat log?....

Aug 09, 2009, 03:13 PM // 15:13	#1
its bad to sin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: probably behind you Guild: Mercenaries Of Grenth [MoG] Profession: P/W	am i required to pay? i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters. his final time was 20 minutes and 11 seconds (masters is under 20mins) yet he still demanded the money i have screen shots where he says 100% masters guarenteed and a screen shot of the final time at 20:11 he then goes to tell me that he has reported me for scamming. only question i have is can i get any type of bann for not paying when he did not do what he said. yes it was NM i should have known he would fail when one of his heros was a mez that had avatar of balthazar (10seconds) but i thought maybe he had some leet way of running it =D. Last edited by its bad to sin; Aug 09, 2009 at 06:31 PM // 18:31..

Aug 09, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59	#2
Unholy Tank V Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: Mo/	You can not get banned for this, the man explicitly said 100% Guaranteed Masters and he did not deliver. You have no reason to worry about getting banned, the guy is making empty threats.

Aug 09, 2009, 04:00 PM // 16:00	#3
Pony Slaystation Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cardboard Box Guild: Guilds are irrelevant. This... is...... BUILD WARS!!! Profession: Rt/	Personally, I don't think you could get banned for this, because after all, the runner guarenteed that you would get master'. If you do get banned, however, be sure to contact support, since you are not at fault.

Aug 09, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01	#4
Raudic Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2008 Profession: W/	i wouldnt pay. hes the scammer in that situation

Aug 09, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02	#5
xron Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Denbigh, Wales Guild: Zero Zero Profession: R/	Anet may not know/see/realise that he stated 100% guaranteed masters so you may be banned imo. However as long as you contact support and show them the screenshots it'll be rescinded.

Aug 09, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#6
Kerwyn Nasilan Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: WHERE DO YOU THINK Profession: W/	You cannot get banned on runs, period. ANet has explicitly said that runs are unsupported and you run/be runned at your own risk.

Aug 09, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#7
lompos Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: AA (Archers Anonymous) Profession: Mo/W	i agree with Kerwyn. Also Anet doesn't get between 2 players, who have a problem between them.

Aug 09, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37	#8
its bad to sin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: probably behind you Guild: Mercenaries Of Grenth [MoG] Profession: P/W	k thank you very much for your responses

Aug 09, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57	#10
citizensmith1001 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Behind You Guild: [RoaR] Profession: D/	If i was you i would keep a SS of him saying 100% guarantee masters and a SS of him saying he would report you and also maybe a SS of the game map showing you don't have masters on that particular mission . If you do happen to get banned you should be unbanned fairly quick if you show them that kind of proof.

Aug 09, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04	#11
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	It was one of those 'gentlemens' agreements' which, unlike conventional trade-window trades, require an element of faith in either party. I don't believe Anet frequently police such disputes but I have heard of incidences where people have been banned for 'bad intentions' in dungeon runs and the likes. Most likely due to blatantly obvious leeching or stealing. If, in the unlikely event of a ban on your account, then you have the screenshots of the deal being offered and not being carried out successfully to which I'm sure they'll unban pretty fast.

Aug 09, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12	#12
Highlander Of Alba Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Real Rogue Clan Profession: Rt/Mo	Will agree you wont get a ban ,, as technically just an agreement between you and the party....runs dont qualify for a ban If he did then he has screenshots as you dont know what they guy said if he raised a ticket.. Would not worry about it

Aug 09, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15	#13
Sparkmaster25 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2008 Guild: Sins Reloaded Profession: P/W	I know this is Irrelevant But was this in Normal mode because 20 minutes on that mission in Normal Mode is laughable.

Aug 09, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29	#16
Need More Donuts Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Profession: D/W	He specifically stated a guranteed time and didn't achieve it why would you pay for a service you did not truly receive... As long as you have screenshots you should be fine good thinking

Aug 09, 2009, 10:14 PM // 22:14	#17
mathiastemplar Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Denmark Guild: Jade Reapers [JD] Profession: W/	Like every1 else said, he stated that it was 100%. you won't get banned for this, as it's not scamming because he failed. glhf

Aug 09, 2009, 10:17 PM // 22:17	#18
majikmajikmajik Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SATown~Tx Guild: Guild Hopper! Profession: R/	Its a false report, you obviously didnt do anything wrong and it takes ALOT of reports to get even a temp ban so dont worry.